I'm glad that shows like this TALK about the subject mental illness...That's a step in the good direction me thinks...
Peace
Eli
Belgium, Europe
Posted by: ELI at November 3, 2006 04:43 AM
I'm being introduced to this subject very recently. I'm looking forward to know more information about schizophrenia - genes associated to it, mapping, etc...
Posted by: subbu at November 3, 2006 10:01 AM
Sir,
What is the STANDARD , psychiatrists,scientists interviewed in this show have about NORMAL PERSON? For me a person recovering to a behavioural level before he was afflicted with this discease.I am also confused by the word CURE and TREATMENT used by psychiatrists world over.
Now CATTIE trial findings say there is no difference between perphenazine and SAGs like olanzapine though it gives credit to clozapine.It confuses carers like me about the ethics of these claims.
Posted by: captainjohann at November 3, 2006 11:41 PM
as always, simple statements don't cover complex situations. 'cure' is unlikely with mental illness, but 'recovery' is very possible and has happened for many. no, not a perfect life just like before the illness struck, but a decent, healthy productive life. recovery means getting to a point where the illness interferes as little as possible with what the person wants to do with their life.
'recovery' for each person is different, and because of that there have been whole conferences and books on what recovery means to each person.
my multiple-handicapped friend who was knocked flat with an incredibly severe case of schizophrenia, who nearly died of starvation due to negative symptpoms (and a mentally ill mother who couldn't cope with his illness or act effectively on his behalf), will always have some limitations. he is recovered, he is on medication, he is happy, satisfied and active, he is also mentally retarded and has seizures and autism, but is happy, safe and healthy, and this illness interferes with his life as little as is possible with our present treatments and knowledge.
other friends who have less severe illness for them 'recovery' is very different, and might mean returning to a demanding highly technical job and a family waiting for them. for each person is different.
'normal', as used in culture of society, means 'conforming to expectations of society or culture'. it has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of mental illness. mental illnesses are medical conditions, and can be seen and measured on MRI, PET scans and other imaging and measurements. in the past, people could be desperately ill, and if they sat quietly and didn't bother anyone, they were ignored. in fact, people who had severe negative symptoms were often mistakenly diagnosed as 'feeble minded' since they sat so quietly. that's why concepts like 'normal' and 'fitting in' and 'conforming' can't possibly be applied to mental illness. they're too subjective and too much based on opinion.
don't let innacurate articles or magazines or web sites mislead you. mental illness has nothing to do with conformity, or 'normalcy'. the symptoms are neurological, and aren't a person's choice. no one 'decides' to be mentally ill. i feel psychiatrists and scientists are not particularly confused about it. but newspapers and especially poor quality magazines are.
there is no difference between new and old medications again, if one measures them in a very simple way. for example, just by how much they knock out hallucinations, or a person's score on a test like PANS. that's a lousy way to evaluate a drug. does it worsen other symptoms? does the person like it? does it have side effects that are unacceptably frequent? do people stay on the medication? does it affect a person's intimate life?
in fact, some people do better on the old medications, and some do better on the new ones. no medication is perfect and it's good to have alot of different choices.
captainjohn, the search for knowledge ends with those overly simplified answers - don't be satisfied with simplistic answers - they just don't do the job for these complex illnesses which can be mild, severe, easy or hard to treat. keep asking your questions and thirsting for more knowledge.
Posted by: slc2 at November 8, 2006 01:22 PM
If you're suicidal, a treatment is a cure, right?
Posted by: Michael S. at November 8, 2006 06:55 PM
in one study, 92 per cent of suicides were linked to inadequate or just no treatment of depression. and i am very sure that schizophrenics often have depression as well.
both from that and my experiences with many people, i would say that absolutely, suicidality can be treated successfully, and suicide can be prevented. i say that even having lost my father to suicide. he was depressed and refused to get treatment.
Posted by: slc2 at November 9, 2006 06:52 AM
my brother is schozipranic patient, and i need help,how to cure him,from tis dieseas.
thanks
shehla
Posted by: shehla at April 10, 2007 07:16 AM
is there any true help for those that hear voices??
Posted by: stephen at June 7, 2007 12:48 PM
I'm writing a book that has a character who shows classic symptoms of schizophrenia. I would like to know if anyone can tell me the treatment, if any for this disease during the life and times of Christ. Thankx
Posted by: Maggie at November 5, 2007 05:53 PM
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Posted by: Bound at June 19, 2008 04:21 AM
I'm glad that shows like this TALK about the subject mental illness...That's a step in the good direction me thinks...
Peace
Eli
Belgium, Europe
Posted by: ELI at November 3, 2006 04:43 AM
I'm being introduced to this subject very recently. I'm looking forward to know more information about schizophrenia - genes associated to it, mapping, etc...
Posted by: subbu at November 3, 2006 10:01 AM
Sir,
What is the STANDARD , psychiatrists,scientists interviewed in this show have about NORMAL PERSON? For me a person recovering to a behavioural level before he was afflicted with this discease.I am also confused by the word CURE and TREATMENT used by psychiatrists world over.
Now CATTIE trial findings say there is no difference between perphenazine and SAGs like olanzapine though it gives credit to clozapine.It confuses carers like me about the ethics of these claims.
Posted by: captainjohann at November 3, 2006 11:41 PM
as always, simple statements don't cover complex situations. 'cure' is unlikely with mental illness, but 'recovery' is very possible and has happened for many. no, not a perfect life just like before the illness struck, but a decent, healthy productive life. recovery means getting to a point where the illness interferes as little as possible with what the person wants to do with their life.
'recovery' for each person is different, and because of that there have been whole conferences and books on what recovery means to each person.
my multiple-handicapped friend who was knocked flat with an incredibly severe case of schizophrenia, who nearly died of starvation due to negative symptpoms (and a mentally ill mother who couldn't cope with his illness or act effectively on his behalf), will always have some limitations. he is recovered, he is on medication, he is happy, satisfied and active, he is also mentally retarded and has seizures and autism, but is happy, safe and healthy, and this illness interferes with his life as little as is possible with our present treatments and knowledge.
other friends who have less severe illness for them 'recovery' is very different, and might mean returning to a demanding highly technical job and a family waiting for them. for each person is different.
'normal', as used in culture of society, means 'conforming to expectations of society or culture'. it has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of mental illness. mental illnesses are medical conditions, and can be seen and measured on MRI, PET scans and other imaging and measurements. in the past, people could be desperately ill, and if they sat quietly and didn't bother anyone, they were ignored. in fact, people who had severe negative symptoms were often mistakenly diagnosed as 'feeble minded' since they sat so quietly. that's why concepts like 'normal' and 'fitting in' and 'conforming' can't possibly be applied to mental illness. they're too subjective and too much based on opinion.
don't let innacurate articles or magazines or web sites mislead you. mental illness has nothing to do with conformity, or 'normalcy'. the symptoms are neurological, and aren't a person's choice. no one 'decides' to be mentally ill. i feel psychiatrists and scientists are not particularly confused about it. but newspapers and especially poor quality magazines are.
there is no difference between new and old medications again, if one measures them in a very simple way. for example, just by how much they knock out hallucinations, or a person's score on a test like PANS. that's a lousy way to evaluate a drug. does it worsen other symptoms? does the person like it? does it have side effects that are unacceptably frequent? do people stay on the medication? does it affect a person's intimate life?
in fact, some people do better on the old medications, and some do better on the new ones. no medication is perfect and it's good to have alot of different choices.
captainjohn, the search for knowledge ends with those overly simplified answers - don't be satisfied with simplistic answers - they just don't do the job for these complex illnesses which can be mild, severe, easy or hard to treat. keep asking your questions and thirsting for more knowledge.
Posted by: slc2 at November 8, 2006 01:22 PM
If you're suicidal, a treatment is a cure, right?
Posted by: Michael S. at November 8, 2006 06:55 PM
in one study, 92 per cent of suicides were linked to inadequate or just no treatment of depression. and i am very sure that schizophrenics often have depression as well.
both from that and my experiences with many people, i would say that absolutely, suicidality can be treated successfully, and suicide can be prevented. i say that even having lost my father to suicide. he was depressed and refused to get treatment.
Posted by: slc2 at November 9, 2006 06:52 AM
my brother is schozipranic patient, and i need help,how to cure him,from tis dieseas.
thanks
shehla
Posted by: shehla at April 10, 2007 07:16 AM
is there any true help for those that hear voices??
Posted by: stephen at June 7, 2007 12:48 PM
I'm writing a book that has a character who shows classic symptoms of schizophrenia. I would like to know if anyone can tell me the treatment, if any for this disease during the life and times of Christ. Thankx
Posted by: Maggie at November 5, 2007 05:53 PM
Thanks for a beautiful site! I have added you in elected!
Necessarily I shall advise your site to the friends!
Best wishes for you!http://sths.php0h.com
Posted by: Bound at June 19, 2008 04:21 AM